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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 461 for the 20th of

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August 2017 richardsaunders here with

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you from a windy no windy windy sydney

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australia in fact we had just over the

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last couple of days we had

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record-breaking gale force winds blowing

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out windows and all sorts of things in

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sydney good weather for flying kites or

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not I'm not sure cool and crisp and

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windy in Sydney Australia but just

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between you and me folks I would rather

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not be in Sydney Australia right now I

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would rather be with my old mate Evan

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Bernstein from the skeptics guide to the

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universe he is as I record this

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introduction he is dead smack bang

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Centre in the path of totality for the

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upcoming solar eclipse he's travelled

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all the way from Connecticut to Oregon

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and he has a front row seat we're going

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to catch up with Evan in a moment and

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interview I recorded a few days ago

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where he will tell us about the

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excitement that this eclipse is

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generating and a bit more about the

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science so to kick off the skeptic zone

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total eclipse with evan bernstein and

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evan reminds us a bit later on that it's

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ten years today in fact well yesterday

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as far as Australia is concerned but

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today in the United States since the

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passing of perry deangelis one of the

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founding members of the skeptics guide

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to the universe

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following that it's brouhaha science

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this week with Kelly Wong talking about

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renewable energy versus old-fashioned

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energy I guess we could print that way

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and she's wondering which energy will

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win out in the end

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then it's the Ross kept ik Heidi

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Robertson with reports she recorded some

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weeks ago at the starstuff astronomy

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weekend

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she went to up in Byron Bay one of the

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people she met was a man called John

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heard a very touching story to tell

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about his

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late son and it really is a caution to

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us all about the dangers of in fact not

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vaccinating I think you'll find this

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story very moving and also we'll play a

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little bit of the government the federal

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government's new campaign to encourage

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parents to vaccinate men to round off

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the show Maynard's spooky action Maynard

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and I went to the launch of the Sydney

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Science Festival which was at the

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launched from the powerhouse museum and

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what a fabulous night that was

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scientists everywhere people everywhere

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lots to see lots to do lots of people to

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chat to may not even interviews a snake

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we're all sort of he interviews a snake

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Wrangler from the Taronga Park Zoo here

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in Sydney we also chat to scientists

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there on the spot on the desks talking

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fabulous dr. Jody rally from the

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Australian Museum one of Australia's

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leading experts in the frogs lots of

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interviews coming up from the launch of

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the Science Festival at the Powerhouse

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Museum and a big THANK YOU to our dear

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friend Frank Healy who helped line up

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some of these interviews and helped us

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out on the night Thank You Frankie I

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know she listens to the skeptics own

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every week what she says she does hmm

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links to everything in the show notes as

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normal and that's at skeptic zone TV or

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in fact if you're listening to this on

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an iPhone and I think if you tap the

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image you'll get the show notes I'm not

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sure how that works on Android probably

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more or less the same but anyway they

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are available and in fact the show notes

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are also available if you are listening

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to this episode via YouTube in the

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description you can see all the show

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notes with the accompanying time codes

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for every segment please listen at the

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end of this episode for an important

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announcement from me our but in the

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meantime it's time for me to run

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downstairs where are those cats the door

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shut you see sometimes little pores come

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under the door not today there must be

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downstairs waiting for their breakfast I

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think anyway

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cats they deserve it then I'm going to

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have some eggs poached eggs yeah

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poached eggs on toast with a little bit

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of salt and maybe some avocado hmm and a

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coffee okay that sounds pretty good to

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me while I'm enjoying all that I hope

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you enjoy the skeptic zone

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joining me now from beautiful and I mean

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beautiful Connecticut in the United

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States it's my old friend from the

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skeptics guide to the universe

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Evan Bernstein I Richard really nice to

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quickly catch up with you quickly catch

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up with you because it's very exciting

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it's even exciting in this part of the

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world and we're not going to see it

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ourselves the wonderful incredible

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eclipse what can you briefly tell our

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listeners about that it's coming up on

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well at least on in the United States

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time zones August 21st 2017 so we're

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just a measly five days away from it

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happening and this is eclipse is going

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to go the stretch of the United States

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from coast to coast Pacific coast to the

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Atlantic coast

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12 states will have a view 12 million

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people living in the in the path of

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totality of the Eclipse the rest of the

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country will be entertained by a

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beautiful partial solar eclipse and the

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highest estimates I've heard are as many

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as thirty million people are going to be

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traveling and making arrangements to uh

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to see this one that's mind-blowing I

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mean we've heard about solar eclipses

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and every year in fact I think oh no

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maybe not every year but for quite quite

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regularly throughout a given century the

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world will experience solar eclipses but

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this sort of I've noticed all over the

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planet aren't they absolutely they are

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in our planet is mostly water so a lot

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of times that these solar eclipses

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happen they happen over a body of water

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so right there you can wipe out sort of

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two-thirds of them from people or large

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amounts of people being able to be

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witnessed to them so and they only

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happen at the same point on in any given

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point in the earth once every three

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hundred seventy five years I looked up

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that's just fascinating yep yeah that's

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so this one's this one's special because

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a lot of people are going to have access

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to this one and it's also interesting

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because you're getting a lot of people

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or small space of in the United States

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it's only 100 kilometers long this swath

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that's going across the country and if

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30 million people are going to try to

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get to that line of totality boy that's

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something we've really never experienced

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or seen before ever so this isn't this

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will be very interesting just to see how

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it all pans out now a couple of things I

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will say you have every day now since I

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the upcoming solar eclipse and what it

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what an interesting little exercise

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that's been it's like bite sized little

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bits of science every day with Evan I

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have really enjoyed that and well done

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for actually thinking about that and

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doing it well thanks Richard I

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appreciate it and for you know the

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people who do follow me my page my my

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personal page on Facebook what I wanted

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to do is put together sort of three

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weeks of build up up to the solar

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eclipse because it's been on my mind

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largely for 38 years just about most

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most of my life since since I was a

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nine-year-old boy and it's really my was

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my first foray into science so this is

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really the culmination of a very long

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journey for me in which I've paid close

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attention to this actually and I wanted

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to sort of put together a video diary so

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that people could sort of experience how

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I'm not only feeling about things but

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also bring to them some interesting

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facts a little bit of history and

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certainly some science pertaining to the

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solar eclipse which is what has me so

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excited I'm not surprised

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people who I have spoken to recently who

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have seen one I've said it's just the

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most incredible or inspiring experience

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now let me let me ask you something and

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maybe you can be of great benefit to our

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listeners in the United States who are

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going to see this I am a little bit

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concerned I must say that so many people

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will be rushing to see this they may be

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a little bit unprepared what are your

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top safety tips because there is a

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danger isn't there there is a danger

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with looking at the Sun anytime you're

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looking at the Sun let's not forget

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exactly what this says you're staring at

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you're gonna be looking at the Sun and

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we all know that that's very very bad

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for us can cause a lot of damage so

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and for most any time that there's an

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eclipse because that's really what's

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you must have approved I wear eye

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protection and there are plenty of

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places online I don't I don't have those

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directly at my fingertips you can go to

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NASA's website I know they've got it and

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they will tell you exactly how to check

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and make sure that your eyewear is

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correct because there is concern that

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some substandard eye I protect you

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has gotten out there to people certainly

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people who maybe purchased glasses a

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while back even as long as a year ago

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and not those companies were not 100% up

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to speed on the specifications that

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needed to be done for this eclipse so

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especially if you've got the older

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glasses double-check and make sure that

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it's the right coating and again you can

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go to NASA's website along with and many

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other places on the web it's a very

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quick search to validate your your

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eyewear plenty of other instructional

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videos also YouTube and elsewhere if you

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want to protect your binoculars if

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you're gonna be using binoculars or even

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telescopes

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to watch the Eclipse plenty of good

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information out there and how to how to

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make sure your filters are correct or if

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you're gonna be making your own filters

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how to make sure everything is safely

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secured you must have eye protection at

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all times all times with one exception

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this is it mmm you again I'll wanna

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drive this home you've got to have your

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eye protection on the whole time with

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one exception it's that two to

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two-and-a-half minutes of pure totality

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if you are in that line of totality if

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you were in that 100 kilometer band

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along the United States then you can

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remove your eyewear but just for those

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moments that you're that it's in perfect

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perfect totality other otherwise glasses

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on you're going to be and millions of

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the people will experience about roughly

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two minutes of totality where I'm gonna

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be in Oregon it's two minutes and the at

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it's at its longest duration which will

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be in Kentucky Tennessee around the

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around the middle of the country two

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minutes and forty seconds it has to do

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with the angle of the moon and then

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certainly everything that and the

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rotation of the earth at that time which

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is why it varies a little bit along the

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path which is normal which is considered

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on the short side for solar eclipse

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because some solar eclipses can be as

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long as seven minutes Wow in in duration

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yeah those are very impressive ones but

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you know total solar eclipses are rare

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enough where people get to see them I'll

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take two minutes you know I'm gonna take

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one minute I would be equally excited so

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I really can't wait well the exciting

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news for people in my neck of the woods

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in Sydney Australia is I think in the

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next decade I was looking at a website

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earlier there is a total eclipse going

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to go right over Sydney perfect yeah

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send me the date I will be there all

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right wheezing I'm not too old well I

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was just saying you and I will be both

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retired we'll be sitting there without

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in our armchairs you know somewhere in

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Sydney with a couple of drinks it's just

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look that one up folks but yes sometime

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in I think in the 20s and the later day

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in the 2020s there'll be one right over

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Sydney

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Evan what a pleasure to quickly catch up

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with you

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and I am thrilled to bits and I'll be

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thrilled to bits to stay up all night

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here in Sydney Australia and by the way

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folks and you can probably figure out

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now from what I'm about to say exactly

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when I'm talking to Evan because I'm

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looking at the NASA website and there's

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a countdown clock and it says ellipse

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countdown until first contact in Oregon

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or was 21st is five days 16 hours and 37

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minutes and by the time this episode of

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the skeptic zone goes out it'll be a lot

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less than that and Evan I'm delighted

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that I'll be seeing you and the rest of

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SGU

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oh oh in a couple of months at the the

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saikhan in Las Vegas that's going to be

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great that's right the last weekend in

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October psyche on Las Vegas I can't wait

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to see you there

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so there you go exciting times coming up

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Evan I'm jealous and on jealous of our

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reporter Iran Saheb who's going to be

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there he's travel all the way to United

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States to see it and all I can say is

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good luck and I hope you have clear

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skies thank you Richard as do I

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solar eclipse misconceptions NASA has

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dedicated a page on their website to

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these a few of which I've not heard

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before for example that total solar

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eclipses produce harmful rays that can

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cause blindness and what they're talking

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about here is not the direct light of

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the Sun but rather the emission of

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electromagnetic radiation from the

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corona which the scientists have studied

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very thoroughly for a long time and

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they're saying that nothing in the

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coronal light can cross 150 million

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kilometres of space penetrate our

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atmosphere and cause blindness

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so that is a myth another one if you are

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pregnant you should not watch the

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Eclipse because it can harm your baby

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again incorrect what they're talking

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about in this one are neutrinos the Sun

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emits trillions of neutrinos constantly

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that penetrate everywhere space the moon

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the planet and you so it's happening all

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the time and operas imposes no threat to

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a pregnant woman or her fetus another

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one eclipses will poison any food that

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is prepared during the event this is

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interesting if they say it's related to

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the false idea of harmful solar rays

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during a total of solar but some type of

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radiation is produced that will harm

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your food no problem there don't worry

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about that although be cautious of

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eating in and around the eclipses to be

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courteous to others but other than that

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there is no harm in the food that you'll

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be

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so this is an interesting website

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Eclipse 2017 nasa.gov lookup eclipse

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misconceptions there are some more there

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for you to read and enjoy today's

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Saturday August 19th just two days to go

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before the Eclipse

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I am here in Oregon at my destination

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dead center line of the Eclipse cannot

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wait but I'm not gonna talk about the

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Eclipse today I'm going to talk about

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perry deangelis perry died 10 years ago

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today still perhaps the saddest day of

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my life one of the two saddest days of

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my life

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the other was the passing of my father

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and certainly the passing of Perry these

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are the two people who have gone in my

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life who I think about every single day

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without fail no doubt about it without

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Perry there would be no skeptics guide

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to the universe without Perry there

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would have been no New England sceptical

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Society and without Perry there would

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have been no Connecticut sceptical

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Society which was really the Acorn for

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everything leading up to the skeptics

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guide to the universe the influence he

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had on both our little local skeptics

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organization and what became ultimately

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the show is too great to measure there's

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a tremendously great friend to me one of

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my certainly best friends ever and I

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think people had got a real good sense

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of his bigger than life personality from

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the show and just from the 100 or so

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episodes that he participated in before

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before he died and again we're reminded

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of that quite often by listeners another

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I know that Bob mrs. and Jamison Steve

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misses him kara would have missed him

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had she had the chance certainly to have

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met him and like I said before I miss

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him every single day so today I dedicate

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to you my dear friend perry deangelis

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10 years ago we've lost you you'll never

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be forgotten your influence on the

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skeptics guide to the universe will

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continue for as long as we do these

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episodes and even beyond that

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and I just wanted to make sure that this

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day was dedicated for you and now direct

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from the cafe and Australia's Science

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Channel

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it's brouhaha science in less time than

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it takes to order a coffee with Kelly

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womp Australia we have a showdown in one

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corner we have the technology of the

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future and in the other the technology

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of the 1800s the world's largest solar

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thermal power plant is coming to Port

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Augusta in South Australia

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this latest renewable energy news comes

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after the announcement of the world's

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biggest lithium-ion battery and joins a

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whole bunch of existing and planned wind

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turbines the solar thermal plant works

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by using mirrors to reflect sunlight

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onto a tower that heats up molten solar

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this creates steam which will power

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turbines to generate energy plus the

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salt stores heat so any excess energy

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can be safe to keep generating

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electricity when the Sun isn't shining

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meanwhile over in Queensland we have

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massive coal mines being planned and

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invested in but hey we love a good share

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down and this should be an incredible

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one which state will come up on top it's

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a test of how much benefit can be gained

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from renewable energy the data from the

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economic and environmental outputs will

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speak for themselves but between you and

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for more brouhaha and Australian science

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visit www.surgicalscience.com here with

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one of the attendees who have we got

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here

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we've got John hello John how are you

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well thank you and have you been

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enjoying the event so far oh very much

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so particularly the talks the

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presentations have been amazing so yeah

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Alan Duffy David Mellon I mean they're

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all read Watson near all amazing people

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but everyone's been enthusiastic

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actually Dylan I think Dylan's a star

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who's entertaining and particularly for

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me it's the photographic things I've

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learnt or reminded it's actually not

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rocket science that actually it's fairly

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simple but also encouraged to just have

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a garden yes yes I learned a lot as well

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not knowing much about photography to

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start with but um it's actually inspired

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me to get out there and get out the

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camera at home it's it's so easy just to

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take your mobile phone with you and get

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lazy about getting the camera out but

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I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna start getting

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the camera out again I've been very

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inspired by what I've heard this weekend

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yeah I think that the ability to have

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reduced noise you take that step

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multiple photos and you have to have

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software to stitch them together but no

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Mike G just talked about single photos

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he just does 30-second exposures and

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that's it so

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yeah anyone can ever go that's just made

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the list light pollution yeah that's

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true and that was another talk about

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life Lucifer instant over you and I were

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we got talking I think was yesterday in

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one of the breaks and as it always tends

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to do with me the conversation comes

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around to vaccinations because and as

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listeners of the podcasts know that's

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one of my passions and and trying to

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trying to raise awareness and and you

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told me a story of how this issue has

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touched you personally what could you

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could you share your story our second

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son Matthew like typical Matt was a

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fairly severe asthmatic and we

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discovered this at an early age he was

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allergic to a lot of things like egg

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milk chocolate and other other various

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I'm not sure about nuts but in the early

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eighties a lot of the stuff wasn't

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tested for he was unable to have a

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whooping cough vaccination it was

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actually a medical advice that we young

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we'd to God a little bit later he was

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four and we're in the UK and he

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contracted whooping cough and he was

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pretty unwell we had no idea what was

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going on but we did get told of a

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sweeping cough he you know he grew up he

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grew less

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our problems with asthma he started to

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be able to tolerate foods like milk and

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other things but when he ever he was

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really unwell we could still hear this

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in his voice the the classic whooping

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cough sign anyway one of the side

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effects of his asthma was that he had a

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lot of printers own pen design affects

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the teeth particularly if you have a lot

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of it and when he was in his 20s he had

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to have a emergency operation to have

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his wisdom teeth out because they'd

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actually work on bling and I were

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obsessing and all sorts of nasty stuff

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and unfortunately during the operation

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he had a severe asthma attack and a

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result of a severe asthma attack if you

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stop breathing eventually the heart

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stops and it took them 15 minutes to get

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it restarted and unfortunate result of

546
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:10,680
that was that he was declared brain-dead

547
00:24:16,850 --> 00:24:14,010
a little bit of a bright light was that

548
00:24:17,900 --> 00:24:16,860
he let us know that he wanted to donate

549
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:17,910
organs so I don't know why I

550
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:19,410
twenty-year-old would think about that

551
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:22,770
but he had and say we were to say yes to

552
00:24:28,340 --> 00:24:25,530
the organ donation and we had a

553
00:24:29,780 --> 00:24:28,350
wonderful story a letter from Walla

554
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:29,790
rototillers of this little four-year-old

555
00:24:35,060 --> 00:24:32,970
girl on Victoria who received received

556
00:24:39,170 --> 00:24:35,070
his one of his kidneys and she had gone

557
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:39,180
from me I'm done well you know with what

558
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,090
the condition to being a normal little

559
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:44,400
four-year-old girl again so it was it

560
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:45,810
just made our Christmas their first

561
00:24:50,090 --> 00:24:47,490
Christmas because matalava Christmas was

562
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:50,100
very hard there were other conditions

563
00:24:54,890 --> 00:24:52,320
that contributed to him having this

564
00:24:58,360 --> 00:24:54,900
asthma attack I mean unfortunately like

565
00:25:03,710 --> 00:24:58,370
most lot of rebel young folk had started

566
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:03,720
smoking but it shocked the anesthesia

567
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:06,930
community they had never expected that

568
00:25:12,460 --> 00:25:09,600
young adult twenty-year-old would have

569
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:12,470
that sort of a problem under anesthesia

570
00:25:16,220 --> 00:25:15,450
if Matt had been vaccinated against

571
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:16,230
himself

572
00:25:23,390 --> 00:25:19,610
I wouldn't be telling him a story so

573
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:23,400
what what you're saying is in relation

574
00:25:29,799 --> 00:25:26,090
to the whooping cough it did have a

575
00:25:32,450 --> 00:25:29,809
permanent effect on his lungs he had

576
00:25:33,770 --> 00:25:32,460
well he might have had bronchiectasis or

577
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:33,780
something like that permanent scarring

578
00:25:39,020 --> 00:25:35,610
of the lungs from whooping cough which

579
00:25:41,570 --> 00:25:39,030
then along with the asthma and and other

580
00:25:43,310 --> 00:25:41,580
contributing factors may have

581
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:43,320
contributed to what - what happened

582
00:25:47,030 --> 00:25:45,600
everything I would say without doubt I'm

583
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:47,040
not a medical person

584
00:25:52,910 --> 00:25:50,400
we didn't decline a formal coroner's

585
00:25:54,650 --> 00:25:52,920
inquiry a friend of ours who was a

586
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:54,660
doctor said we wouldn't get any answers

587
00:26:00,320 --> 00:25:57,120
out of it he was dead you know we

588
00:26:04,790 --> 00:26:00,330
wouldn't get him back so I would believe

589
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:04,800
so I know now that before any asthmatic

590
00:26:11,390 --> 00:26:08,490
has is going under anesthesia they do

591
00:26:13,940 --> 00:26:11,400
actually do tests or they will demand

592
00:26:15,860 --> 00:26:13,950
tests so that was one positive but yeah

593
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:15,870
I believe he was really sensitive to it

594
00:26:21,410 --> 00:26:18,480
and whatever trigger that he had been

595
00:26:24,380 --> 00:26:21,420
under anesthesia before but this

596
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:24,390
particular time all the variables meant

597
00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:26,730
that and he had this attack and I

598
00:26:30,530 --> 00:26:29,130
actually asked once what and they just

599
00:26:31,940 --> 00:26:30,540
bring him out as the anaesthetic and

600
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:31,950
they said it would have been a nightmare

601
00:26:36,740 --> 00:26:34,410
they actually couldn't do that they had

602
00:26:40,370 --> 00:26:36,750
to keep him going until they tried to

603
00:26:43,370 --> 00:26:40,380
fix the problem yes I firmly believed

604
00:26:45,919 --> 00:26:43,380
that if it had to the vaccination hadn't

605
00:26:47,530 --> 00:26:45,929
got whooping cough we would have still

606
00:26:49,780 --> 00:26:47,540
had our man

607
00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:49,790
I'm sorry I'm so sorry for what you've

608
00:26:57,090 --> 00:26:52,910
been through but so grateful that you've

609
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:00,910
vaccination is such a hot topic around

610
00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:03,890
here and we need people like you to tell

611
00:27:09,370 --> 00:27:06,710
those stories about how it has

612
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:09,380
personally affected your lives and the

613
00:27:15,820 --> 00:27:11,840
life of your son but what an amazing

614
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:15,830
legacy that he was an organ donor yes it

615
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:18,770
was wonderful and was was for a friend

616
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:21,530
of my wife's who had received organs he

617
00:27:27,010 --> 00:27:24,890
was critically ill and started the game

618
00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:27,020
if you like and actually we're going to

619
00:27:34,180 --> 00:27:31,910
a few and Queensland they have service

620
00:27:36,490 --> 00:27:34,190
every year for donors or donor families

621
00:27:38,380 --> 00:27:36,500
and organ recipients and to see these

622
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:38,390
recipients what they do with their life

623
00:27:43,930 --> 00:27:42,170
is very positively encouraging but just

624
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:43,940
going back to the vaccination thing I

625
00:27:49,030 --> 00:27:46,480
think that if you don't want your own

626
00:27:51,870 --> 00:27:49,040
child that's know the thing about who

627
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:51,880
that child comes in contact with come in

628
00:27:56,830 --> 00:27:55,010
you're giving them something if they're

629
00:27:59,500 --> 00:27:56,840
not vaccinating themselves and they

630
00:28:02,290 --> 00:27:59,510
can't be vaccinated why am i met no

631
00:28:04,270 --> 00:28:02,300
chance yes I heard immunity community

632
00:28:07,030 --> 00:28:04,280
immunity is just so important it's not

633
00:28:09,010 --> 00:28:07,040
just to protect ourselves its bits to

634
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:09,020
protect the vulnerable in our in a

635
00:28:12,820 --> 00:28:11,330
community as well and to even be talking

636
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:12,830
about having a whooping cough problem

637
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,440
and miss Dana age where we shouldn't

638
00:28:20,030 --> 00:28:17,520
have it it just should not occur

639
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:20,040
absolutely thank you so much for your

640
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:20,730
time today

641
00:28:30,110 --> 00:28:23,850
it was such a pleasure making them thank

642
00:28:32,150 --> 00:28:30,120
you for sharing this story to add to

643
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:32,160
Heidi's report in the last week the

644
00:28:37,460 --> 00:28:33,570
Australian Government has launched a

645
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:37,470
campaign to persuade parents to get

646
00:28:43,460 --> 00:28:39,690
their children vaccinated and their

647
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:43,470
children's vaccinations up-to-date and I

648
00:28:48,410 --> 00:28:45,120
thought it would be appropriate to play

649
00:28:52,820 --> 00:28:48,420
the audio from one of the accompanying

650
00:28:54,110 --> 00:28:52,830
videos of this campaign we want to make

651
00:28:56,030 --> 00:28:54,120
sure our kids were protected from

652
00:28:58,100 --> 00:28:56,040
serious diseases which is why I made

653
00:28:59,840 --> 00:28:58,110
sure this one completed our vaccinations

654
00:29:01,760 --> 00:28:59,850
ninety three percent of our kids are

655
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:01,770
fully vaccinated but it's not high

656
00:29:06,020 --> 00:29:03,810
enough we need to do more to protect all

657
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:06,030
our kids our babies Dana died from

658
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:06,690
whooping cough

659
00:29:11,570 --> 00:29:09,210
she was only one month old and too young

660
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:11,580
to be vaccinated lived in an area with

661
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:13,890
low immunization rates our baby son

662
00:29:18,890 --> 00:29:15,840
Riley died from a vaccine preventable

663
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:18,900
disease nothing can bring him back but

664
00:29:23,380 --> 00:29:21,120
together we can all help to prevent this

665
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:23,390
tragedy from happening to other families

666
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:25,770
vaccination protects your child from

667
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:28,410
serious diseases but it also protects

668
00:29:32,150 --> 00:29:31,290
other children to immunization saves

669
00:29:33,770 --> 00:29:32,160
lives

670
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:33,780
get the facts visit the website

671
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:35,610
authorised by the Australian Government

672
00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:37,650
Canberra this campaign from the

673
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:40,110
government comes hot on the heels of the

674
00:29:45,500 --> 00:29:43,650
recent tour of the so called documentary

675
00:29:47,660 --> 00:29:45,510
of axed which you've been hearing about

676
00:29:50,090 --> 00:29:47,670
on the last couple of episodes of the

677
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:50,100
sceptic zone and we can only hope that

678
00:29:55,790 --> 00:29:52,770
some of the damage done by this wretched

679
00:29:58,900 --> 00:29:55,800
documentary is being undone by this

680
00:30:07,730 --> 00:29:58,910
campaign from the federal government

681
00:30:10,169 --> 00:30:07,740
[Music]

682
00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:10,179
Meli's cat et cetera

683
00:30:14,490 --> 00:30:12,910
Travis Claire Union bar spoon or

684
00:30:16,020 --> 00:30:14,500
cleanser Turki every upscale house

685
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scattered scale Congress Surat Annisa

686
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sarunas auditioning Congress table

687
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:21,280
cannot post k bratislava Advocaat I hope

688
00:30:26,490 --> 00:30:23,440
drew her hood with versatile to Paros RC

689
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I am with Stephen Bosworth th pet

690
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opposing the sick she's 5000 Cygnus

691
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vehicle so James Randi susan gerbic mark

692
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Lynas Susan Blackmore Scotland felt

693
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Adele she poha Vashti automatic echo

694
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nabu's Nevada so do Veda immediate

695
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parent - its Ronnie Dahl she Procopio

696
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sue pinky a provision format sea fish

697
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Dana Euroskeptics con petka org and the

698
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bonus naina Donna Facebook ooh the

699
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shima-san Abbas

700
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[Music]

701
00:31:00,169 --> 00:30:58,020
hello dear skeptical friends this is

702
00:31:03,860 --> 00:31:00,179
Clara clean birth who organized her of

703
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:03,870
the European skeptics Congress 2017 this

704
00:31:08,150 --> 00:31:05,760
year the Congress will be held in broad

705
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:08,160
South Pole and on September 22nd to 24th

706
00:31:14,029 --> 00:31:11,490
and is my absolute pleasure to invite

707
00:31:17,270 --> 00:31:14,039
you to attend come and listen to talks

708
00:31:19,789 --> 00:31:17,280
by James Randi susan gerbic mark Lynas

709
00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:19,799
Susan Blackmore Scott Lavin Feld and

710
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:22,289
others discuss topics like science and

711
00:31:27,380 --> 00:31:24,080
religion to the science and media

712
00:31:29,450 --> 00:31:27,390
paranormal investigation and more to buy

713
00:31:33,140 --> 00:31:29,460
a ticket and to get more information by

714
00:31:38,740 --> 00:31:33,150
the Congress go to Euroskeptics con org

715
00:31:38,750 --> 00:31:47,539
[Music]

716
00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:52,469
years may not spooky action at a

717
00:32:01,400 --> 00:31:59,450
yes the inner city of Sydney here where

718
00:32:02,990 --> 00:32:01,410
we've got the amazing Harris Street

719
00:32:05,510 --> 00:32:03,000
Altima with the wonderful powerhouse

720
00:32:07,610 --> 00:32:05,520
here it is the opening I'm sort of a bit

721
00:32:08,930 --> 00:32:07,620
of a vent for Sydney science festival

722
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:08,940
that's right it's science week Sydney

723
00:32:12,650 --> 00:32:10,530
Science Festival all going on here and

724
00:32:14,750 --> 00:32:12,660
being Sydney everyone's talking about

725
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:14,760
the career everyone's talking about

726
00:32:18,860 --> 00:32:16,770
Chinese investment in the property

727
00:32:20,090 --> 00:32:18,870
market everybody's talking about how

728
00:32:21,710 --> 00:32:20,100
they had to borrow money from their

729
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:21,720
parents to even think about owning a

730
00:32:24,380 --> 00:32:23,130
house and people are talking about how

731
00:32:26,060 --> 00:32:24,390
it's just too expensive to live in

732
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:26,070
Sydney in the first place but of course

733
00:32:29,270 --> 00:32:27,690
it's all about science a never that we

734
00:32:30,890 --> 00:32:29,280
could meet some scientists here tonight

735
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:30,900
and that's why I'm here that's why I've

736
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:32,250
licked my hair back because they might

737
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:35,250
just think I'm Max Headroom

738
00:32:39,530 --> 00:32:37,200
may not hear coming to you from Mars now

739
00:32:41,390 --> 00:32:39,540
as we all know this isn't Mars but

740
00:32:43,610 --> 00:32:41,400
everything you see from the Mars rover

741
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:43,620
an all those 11 Mars Lander stuff and

742
00:32:48,170 --> 00:32:45,690
even that movie the Martian was nowhere

743
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:48,180
near Mars it was actually shot at have a

744
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:49,650
straight Ultimo and you can tell because

745
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:51,450
if they had the sound up and that's why

746
00:32:54,620 --> 00:32:53,130
they don't send sound back from Mars

747
00:32:56,060 --> 00:32:54,630
because she'd hear the traffic going

748
00:32:57,950 --> 00:32:56,070
past on Harris Street and that's how you

749
00:32:59,390 --> 00:32:57,960
can tell that we're not on Mars it's all

750
00:33:01,280 --> 00:32:59,400
just done somewhere in Harris Street

751
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:01,290
Oldham Oh like most stuff it I think the

752
00:33:04,790 --> 00:33:03,330
space programs done down the pool down

753
00:33:06,620 --> 00:33:04,800
the road that's what yeah

754
00:33:09,020 --> 00:33:06,630
whenever you're seeing this the

755
00:33:10,460 --> 00:33:09,030
universal the I you know the I is that

756
00:33:12,050 --> 00:33:10,470
the International Space Station what do

757
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:12,060
you say they'd met going around that is

758
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:14,970
in fact shot in the pool just down the

759
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:16,410
road and have a straight Ultimo why

760
00:33:19,370 --> 00:33:17,970
spend money going there when you can do

761
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:19,380
it in a pool I've always thought that

762
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:22,170
our locals as I said I'm just standing

763
00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:25,440
next to where all the Mars rovers stuff

764
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:27,510
is faked and here is what mr. faker a

765
00:33:31,820 --> 00:33:29,130
member of the shadowy elite a man of the

766
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:31,830
origami first order it is Richard

767
00:33:36,740 --> 00:33:34,890
Saunders hello this is Mars Maynard this

768
00:33:38,180 --> 00:33:36,750
is not the Powerhouse Museum we're on

769
00:33:40,340 --> 00:33:38,190
madness have quite good isn't it looks

770
00:33:42,620 --> 00:33:40,350
like Mars well I guess it does it is

771
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:42,630
pretty cool there it looks a lot like my

772
00:33:47,180 --> 00:33:45,570
dad's old rocker II in katara any

773
00:33:48,740 --> 00:33:47,190
Newcastle maybe that's where they filmed

774
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:48,750
that the moon landing I don't know I

775
00:33:52,460 --> 00:33:49,890
think they probably did now there's a

776
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:52,470
fair few people here we don't seem to

777
00:33:56,300 --> 00:33:53,970
know any of them is that because these

778
00:33:58,460 --> 00:33:56,310
are the people that have power it's

779
00:34:01,010 --> 00:33:58,470
because we're getting old yeah that's

780
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:01,020
true look although I say we don't want

781
00:34:04,340 --> 00:34:02,490
to go out to a wild night the power

782
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:04,350
house usually isn't the place I come to

783
00:34:08,510 --> 00:34:06,450
unless it's actually closed then you get

784
00:34:09,980 --> 00:34:08,520
it fun well you know what as soon as we

785
00:34:11,810 --> 00:34:09,990
walk in they gave a champagne and

786
00:34:13,060 --> 00:34:11,820
ordered so that's not too bad no we're

787
00:34:15,740 --> 00:34:13,070
here for the launch of the Sydney

788
00:34:18,050 --> 00:34:15,750
Science Festival so I'm really looking

789
00:34:20,990 --> 00:34:18,060
forward to it and you and I are taking

790
00:34:22,370 --> 00:34:21,000
part tomorrow in fact tomorrow morning

791
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:22,380
we're doing science shows for school

792
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:23,610
kids that's what we're gonna be doing

793
00:34:28,190 --> 00:34:25,770
stuff at the Australian Museum with the

794
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:28,200
mystery investigators where we solve

795
00:34:31,790 --> 00:34:30,090
mysteries for them like can you poke a

796
00:34:34,460 --> 00:34:31,800
hole yourself with a bed of nails that

797
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:34,470
sort of thing and you get to stand on my

798
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:36,210
back when I'm on a bed of nails

799
00:34:40,860 --> 00:34:38,890
and play the trombone I'm standing on

800
00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:40,870
your back you do but look at everybody

801
00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:42,730
there are hundreds of people here all

802
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:45,250
waiting for the speeches to get underway

803
00:34:49,830 --> 00:34:47,650
but so many people here for science it's

804
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:49,840
great to see but it's good not many

805
00:34:53,340 --> 00:34:51,130
people here on the side of phrenology

806
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:53,350
which is my favorite I've been trying to

807
00:34:57,240 --> 00:34:54,850
see if there's any phonology fans here

808
00:34:59,370 --> 00:34:57,250
haven't seen one oh you have to look for

809
00:35:00,900 --> 00:34:59,380
some I bet there will be and of course

810
00:35:02,460 --> 00:35:00,910
we're gonna be interested to see what

811
00:35:03,660 --> 00:35:02,470
the theme is this year normally they

812
00:35:05,250 --> 00:35:03,670
have a bit of a theme what do you think

813
00:35:07,110 --> 00:35:05,260
they'll be going with this year oh I I

814
00:35:09,390 --> 00:35:07,120
don't know I don't know what maybe it

815
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:09,400
should be phrenology actually again yeah

816
00:35:13,530 --> 00:35:11,920
I'll be pushing that and of course for

817
00:35:15,660 --> 00:35:13,540
the sceptic zone for you we were to have

818
00:35:17,780 --> 00:35:15,670
been given the tip that upstairs shortly

819
00:35:21,450 --> 00:35:17,790
there's gonna be twenty five scientists

820
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:21,460
25 yes our good friend Frankie Lee we've

821
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:23,440
known for years here in Sydney she walk

822
00:35:28,590 --> 00:35:26,890
bias with a tray of drinks she was

823
00:35:32,430 --> 00:35:28,600
carding behind the saying come upstairs

824
00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:32,440
at seven o'clock we have 25 scientists

825
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:33,310
for you to interview

826
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:34,930
I'm sure the beer phrenologist up there

827
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:37,210
and if I can't find a phrenologist what

828
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:38,410
are the scientists that make the ray

829
00:35:42,450 --> 00:35:39,850
guns what are they either they

830
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:42,460
physicists or not I think that's Captain

831
00:35:49,710 --> 00:35:44,530
Kirk is then it's Batman that I'll be

832
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:49,720
upstairs looking for Batman I'm just

833
00:35:52,590 --> 00:35:51,130
talking to a gentleman now what's the

834
00:35:54,780 --> 00:35:52,600
diamond pythons name first of all

835
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:54,790
Yara yeah and what's your name sir Ryan

836
00:35:58,440 --> 00:35:56,650
on how things at Taronga Zoo

837
00:36:01,590 --> 00:35:58,450
absolutely beautiful pretty um yeah

838
00:36:02,940 --> 00:36:01,600
animals are happy a little we have a lot

839
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:02,950
of overseas listens to the podcast the

840
00:36:05,790 --> 00:36:04,090
skeptics own and they think that

841
00:36:07,890 --> 00:36:05,800
Australia is full of things that will

842
00:36:09,930 --> 00:36:07,900
kill you but this is this Diamond Python

843
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:09,940
it's a it's a constrictor so it kills

844
00:36:13,500 --> 00:36:11,680
you get what what does it like to eat is

845
00:36:14,850 --> 00:36:13,510
it is it a gauge or what's it do mainly

846
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:14,860
if you can look at them it's got some

847
00:36:19,410 --> 00:36:17,110
hits against its job they hate pips I

848
00:36:20,940 --> 00:36:19,420
like to eat warm blooded creatures not

849
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:20,950
saying it won't eat frogs and lizards

850
00:36:27,060 --> 00:36:22,930
and things like that but promptly birds

851
00:36:28,620 --> 00:36:27,070
or laid rats mice and possums okay

852
00:36:31,230 --> 00:36:28,630
so where do they live delight Avandia

853
00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:31,240
how so they live in some shrub what a

854
00:36:36,450 --> 00:36:34,510
lot of people will find is if I've got a

855
00:36:38,180 --> 00:36:36,460
chicken coop or if they get possums up

856
00:36:40,590 --> 00:36:38,190
in the roof they will get these

857
00:36:42,540 --> 00:36:40,600
beautiful creatures once the food source

858
00:36:44,370 --> 00:36:42,550
runs out they will move on and that so

859
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:44,380
they're like the the baby possums when

860
00:36:46,350 --> 00:36:45,970
they're born just the big ones move too

861
00:36:48,270 --> 00:36:46,360
fast

862
00:36:50,380 --> 00:36:48,280
yeah mate they're quick enough get

863
00:36:53,820 --> 00:36:50,390
really beautiful craters and just with

864
00:36:56,260 --> 00:36:53,830
this one to see thumb there's absolutely

865
00:36:58,270 --> 00:36:56,270
no signs of stress with this girl she's

866
00:37:00,730 --> 00:36:58,280
really inquisitive and what she's

867
00:37:02,380 --> 00:37:00,740
looking at this lady over here so you

868
00:37:04,330 --> 00:37:02,390
looking at her scarf they love textures

869
00:37:05,980 --> 00:37:04,340
so what's he doing taking out this

870
00:37:08,290 --> 00:37:05,990
jacket MOSOP said that that's a tweed

871
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:08,300
jacket which in Saunders is wearing look

872
00:37:10,750 --> 00:37:09,410
at a little tongue coming out she's

873
00:37:12,220 --> 00:37:10,760
smelling the food right right so it's

874
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:12,230
smelling it and so is her

875
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:13,730
three-dimensional view of the world

876
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:15,440
being made by the eyes and the tongue

877
00:37:18,820 --> 00:37:17,450
together and how good are the eyes they

878
00:37:20,830 --> 00:37:18,830
got color what do they do and the heat

879
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:20,840
as well with those ones here infrared

880
00:37:25,300 --> 00:37:23,359
more so okay eetz so these ones yeah

881
00:37:27,330 --> 00:37:25,310
they'll go to all these so with those

882
00:37:30,450 --> 00:37:27,340
with these what they do if a creature

883
00:37:34,330 --> 00:37:30,460
and the creature comes through a

884
00:37:36,430 --> 00:37:34,340
warm-blooded creature in in the dark to

885
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:36,440
say there's a rat or a mouse or about

886
00:37:42,970 --> 00:37:39,410
the Flies past with what you'll do

887
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:42,980
she senses hate through a jaw is it

888
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:44,720
close up warmer warmer warmer and she

889
00:37:47,890 --> 00:37:46,130
grabs them so they send through infrared

890
00:37:48,970 --> 00:37:47,900
more so than anything is it we're

891
00:37:50,260 --> 00:37:48,980
sitting hitting anything what's that now

892
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:50,270
and on the moment scene I would probably

893
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:51,890
fader about once every two weeks and I'm

894
00:37:56,980 --> 00:37:54,410
yes you got fed not that long ago and

895
00:37:59,650 --> 00:37:56,990
I'm yes she's not here to be feed we are

896
00:38:01,060 --> 00:37:59,660
not part of her diet yes because should

897
00:38:03,310 --> 00:38:01,070
be saying man that's a very large heat

898
00:38:05,740 --> 00:38:03,320
source yeah right now beautiful creature

899
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:05,750
and this is one about education animals

900
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:06,560
as well hmm

901
00:38:10,810 --> 00:38:08,930
so what we're doing here great function

902
00:38:13,450 --> 00:38:10,820
great food powerhouse but it's also

903
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:13,460
about just educating people about

904
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:14,930
animals and what I can do to help as

905
00:38:18,940 --> 00:38:17,330
well and look more power of the stronger

906
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:18,950
Zoo there and just one last thing

907
00:38:22,510 --> 00:38:20,810
um this is we're in New South Wales at

908
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:22,520
the moment would this be a native to

909
00:38:26,380 --> 00:38:25,010
would we see okay all over Australia or

910
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:26,390
mainly the eastern seaboard which walk

911
00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:28,730
probably three weeks ago and came across

912
00:38:32,740 --> 00:38:31,250
to all of these so yeah absolutely but

913
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:32,750
really did end do they look like a

914
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:34,160
dangerous snake so you can make a

915
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:36,560
mistake in your oh there are other

916
00:38:41,260 --> 00:38:38,450
creatures out there that have similar

917
00:38:43,450 --> 00:38:41,270
part markings that happen but these are

918
00:38:45,339 --> 00:38:43,460
constrictor okay but my thing is the

919
00:38:47,740 --> 00:38:45,349
green one that looks like that it's okay

920
00:38:48,910 --> 00:38:47,750
oh look at all snakes in the wild I

921
00:38:50,140 --> 00:38:48,920
wouldn't touch them

922
00:38:52,329 --> 00:38:50,150
there can be venomous fights and a lot

923
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:52,339
of um species look very similar as well

924
00:38:57,740 --> 00:38:54,930
also even if she did strike two

925
00:39:00,859 --> 00:38:57,750
backward-facing fangs for gripping her

926
00:39:03,290 --> 00:39:00,869
prey so I could hurt as well as is the

927
00:39:04,670 --> 00:39:03,300
main thing it's to any wild animals just

928
00:39:07,130 --> 00:39:04,680
leave them alone and why them get a

929
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:07,140
photo but Tess you don't have to handle

930
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:08,730
them you know touch them leaving mine

931
00:39:12,260 --> 00:39:10,050
and just a Mario natural beautiful

932
00:39:13,790 --> 00:39:12,270
creatures and what's a website we could

933
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:13,800
go to learn more about what you're doing

934
00:39:17,420 --> 00:39:16,290
education doctor are you

935
00:39:19,099 --> 00:39:17,430
that's not I have a good time here

936
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,109
everyone's lining up for that owl look

937
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:21,119
that was cool that was cool now we go

938
00:39:25,130 --> 00:39:24,000
from Saint to over here to frogs and as

939
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:25,140
you know we were just talking about

940
00:39:28,730 --> 00:39:26,970
snakes then and when it comes to biology

941
00:39:30,530 --> 00:39:28,740
people can be very species it's a lot of

942
00:39:32,770 --> 00:39:30,540
people are big fans of snakes a lot of

943
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:32,780
people are big on the higher primates

944
00:39:37,069 --> 00:39:34,650
but of course I'm here with someone

945
00:39:38,839 --> 00:39:37,079
who's into amphibians and frogs Jody how

946
00:39:40,670 --> 00:39:38,849
are you I'm great thank you how are you

947
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:40,680
pretty good you are just glowing at the

948
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:43,410
moment it's great to be here and I think

949
00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:44,730
you know that I love to talk about frogs

950
00:39:49,130 --> 00:39:47,250
oh I know indeed now I was over there

951
00:39:52,250 --> 00:39:49,140
with snakes now a snakes the sworn enemy

952
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:52,260
of frogs there are a lot of snakes that

953
00:39:56,180 --> 00:39:54,690
are adapted to eating frogs and one of

954
00:39:58,490 --> 00:39:56,190
the things about being a proctologist is

955
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:58,500
I do come across a lot of snakes because

956
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:00,480
of that huh so do you make the ones that

957
00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:02,250
are constrictors or do meet poisonous

958
00:40:06,980 --> 00:40:03,510
dangerous ones in the South American

959
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:06,990
forest a bit of both the kind of snakes

960
00:40:11,660 --> 00:40:09,450
that like frogs tend to not be the

961
00:40:13,370 --> 00:40:11,670
constrictors they're often the ones with

962
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:13,380
venom but not always so you come across

963
00:40:17,450 --> 00:40:14,880
all kinds especially the ones that like

964
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:17,460
water but as long as you don't mess with

965
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:19,440
them they they don't generally mess with

966
00:40:24,349 --> 00:40:21,599
you so you just leave them on their on

967
00:40:27,289 --> 00:40:24,359
their sort of path the greatest animal

968
00:40:29,870 --> 00:40:27,299
of all time is the axolotl it is friend

969
00:40:31,370 --> 00:40:29,880
of the Frog yes it's it's a it's an aunt

970
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:31,380
Phoebe indefinitely so in Australia

971
00:40:34,730 --> 00:40:33,119
we're most familiar with frogs because

972
00:40:36,799 --> 00:40:34,740
that's all we got in the end a few being

973
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:36,809
lottery but there are also salamanders

974
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:38,490
and newts of which the axolotl

975
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:41,250
is one and there's Sicilians the most

976
00:40:45,859 --> 00:40:43,770
poorly known of the amphibians now

977
00:40:48,049 --> 00:40:45,869
certain the Sicilian which is a great

978
00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:48,059
name for a band or a song where do they

979
00:40:51,140 --> 00:40:50,040
come from and where do they sit on the

980
00:40:53,329 --> 00:40:51,150
evolutionary tree

981
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:53,339
they're our type of amphibian but they

982
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:55,200
limb this limbless and they look a lot

983
00:40:58,910 --> 00:40:57,450
like worms so they don't occur in

984
00:41:00,410 --> 00:40:58,920
Australia they occur primarily in the

985
00:41:01,750 --> 00:41:00,420
tropics and they live largely

986
00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:01,760
underground

987
00:41:06,250 --> 00:41:04,310
and so I have spent a lot of my time in

988
00:41:08,770 --> 00:41:06,260
the forest of tropical Southeast Asia

989
00:41:11,260 --> 00:41:08,780
picking up worms thinking is this my

990
00:41:12,970 --> 00:41:11,270
Sicilian and I've only ever seen two

991
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:12,980
Sicilians in my life because I don't go

992
00:41:15,940 --> 00:41:14,450
digging for them I wait until they come

993
00:41:17,230 --> 00:41:15,950
up on the surface and that's where I see

994
00:41:17,710 --> 00:41:17,240
them but there's some pretty amazing and

995
00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:17,720
fibia ng's

996
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:19,730
you're talking about Australia and the

997
00:41:22,420 --> 00:41:21,410
evolutionary lottery I thought that we

998
00:41:24,130 --> 00:41:22,430
were an old country because all our

999
00:41:25,810 --> 00:41:24,140
mountains were kind of worn down so I

1000
00:41:27,370 --> 00:41:25,820
thought that would so we've evolved past

1001
00:41:30,250 --> 00:41:27,380
amphibians is that why we haven't got

1002
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:30,260
them no we just only got the frogs in

1003
00:41:34,180 --> 00:41:31,760
sort of when the continents were all

1004
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:34,190
together we got the frogs and we didn't

1005
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:36,050
get the salamanders and Sicilians hop on

1006
00:41:41,050 --> 00:41:38,810
board and so we got an amazing diversity

1007
00:41:42,430 --> 00:41:41,060
of frogs especially in in a sort of

1008
00:41:43,930 --> 00:41:42,440
things that they do so we've got tree

1009
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:43,940
frogs so things that are genetically

1010
00:41:47,950 --> 00:41:46,250
tree frogs that have now adapted to the

1011
00:41:49,530 --> 00:41:47,960
drying continent of Australia and spend

1012
00:41:53,140 --> 00:41:49,540
most of their life years sometimes

1013
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:53,150
underground so water-holding frogs which

1014
00:41:59,740 --> 00:41:57,770
are quite sort of famous actually a big

1015
00:42:02,500 --> 00:41:59,750
frogs that are full of water in their

1016
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:02,510
bladders so during the just sort of arid

1017
00:42:06,190 --> 00:42:04,730
times for years in the outback these

1018
00:42:08,590 --> 00:42:06,200
things will just be buried underground

1019
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:08,600
in some a form of cocoon being slightly

1020
00:42:12,730 --> 00:42:10,970
waterproof and and they only come up

1021
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:12,740
when it absolute pores with rain but

1022
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:13,970
these are tree frogs things that you

1023
00:42:18,310 --> 00:42:15,890
think you know that should be living in

1024
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:18,320
trees in the tropics but frogs have done

1025
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:19,970
some amazing things to adapt to

1026
00:42:24,580 --> 00:42:22,490
Australia as we drifted away from being

1027
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:24,590
a lot warmer and of course do you get

1028
00:42:28,450 --> 00:42:26,090
many questions about the introduced

1029
00:42:30,100 --> 00:42:28,460
species such as the cane toad now what

1030
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:30,110
was the cane toad original it was from

1031
00:42:33,790 --> 00:42:32,210
South America and I guess you must hate

1032
00:42:36,220 --> 00:42:33,800
it because like it must cause damage

1033
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:36,230
among our native frogs doesn't it causes

1034
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:37,520
a lot of damage particularly for

1035
00:42:43,330 --> 00:42:41,450
predators so our native animals grew up

1036
00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:43,340
or you know evolutionarily have had a

1037
00:42:47,020 --> 00:42:45,110
whole bunch of tasty frogs that didn't

1038
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:47,030
cause them any harm and they see

1039
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:48,560
something that looks like a frog a cane

1040
00:42:51,390 --> 00:42:50,000
toad and they've been eating those

1041
00:42:53,890 --> 00:42:51,400
things for their whole you know whole

1042
00:42:55,660 --> 00:42:53,900
evolutionary history and so they think

1043
00:42:56,860 --> 00:42:55,670
obviously I can eat that that's the

1044
00:42:58,750 --> 00:42:56,870
delicious item and then all of a sudden

1045
00:43:01,060 --> 00:42:58,760
these things are poisonous and they're

1046
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:01,070
not used to things look like frogs that

1047
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:02,960
are poisonous so that's why they're so

1048
00:43:06,050 --> 00:43:03,810
harmful

1049
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:06,060
and was it from the cut it's originally

1050
00:43:09,110 --> 00:43:07,680
from South America where's it from here

1051
00:43:10,010 --> 00:43:09,120
and what did it loves it's supposed to

1052
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,020
eat which it didn't

1053
00:43:14,810 --> 00:43:12,480
it was meant to eat the cane beetle so a

1054
00:43:16,460 --> 00:43:14,820
past of our cane crops and that's

1055
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:16,470
actually being introduced around the

1056
00:43:20,660 --> 00:43:18,480
world but you know I think eyes were

1057
00:43:21,980 --> 00:43:20,670
from Hawaii from the cane fields there

1058
00:43:23,690 --> 00:43:21,990
they got introduced there first and they

1059
00:43:25,370 --> 00:43:23,700
got introduced here and people thought

1060
00:43:27,830 --> 00:43:25,380
that they would eat this cane beetle

1061
00:43:29,180 --> 00:43:27,840
this cane grub but of course that was

1062
00:43:30,770 --> 00:43:29,190
kind of hard they didn't really like

1063
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:30,780
having to go to that effort so they ate

1064
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:32,130
everything else instead and they've

1065
00:43:35,900 --> 00:43:34,650
spread and potentially you would think

1066
00:43:37,790 --> 00:43:35,910
that they would be just adapted to

1067
00:43:39,740 --> 00:43:37,800
living in the tropics but they've they

1068
00:43:41,660 --> 00:43:39,750
seem to be marching on and adapting I

1069
00:43:43,730 --> 00:43:41,670
mean I don't hate them at all because I

1070
00:43:45,620 --> 00:43:43,740
think they're an amazing and phibian

1071
00:43:47,930 --> 00:43:45,630
it's not their fault that they're here

1072
00:43:49,250 --> 00:43:47,940
and they're actually quite amazing and

1073
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:49,260
Finn's there

1074
00:43:54,110 --> 00:43:52,650
unlike most frogs they're quite smart I

1075
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:54,120
guess in some ways and they don't rely

1076
00:43:58,580 --> 00:43:56,970
on the animal moving in front of their

1077
00:44:00,260 --> 00:43:58,590
face for them to eat it so cane toads

1078
00:44:02,450 --> 00:44:00,270
have actually been observed eating dog

1079
00:44:05,300 --> 00:44:02,460
food out of a dog's bowl and and things

1080
00:44:07,070 --> 00:44:05,310
which is super strange for a normal frog

1081
00:44:09,170 --> 00:44:07,080
they would never be caught dead doing

1082
00:44:10,430 --> 00:44:09,180
something like that so you've got to

1083
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:10,440
give them some credit for being so

1084
00:44:14,030 --> 00:44:12,480
adaptable and being dumped in Australia

1085
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:14,040
and then making the best of it for sure

1086
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,560
but it is sad to see them in some of

1087
00:44:21,350 --> 00:44:18,480
these really amazingly remote places and

1088
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:21,360
hearing that things like Kroll's and and

1089
00:44:24,980 --> 00:44:23,040
getting goannas that used to be so

1090
00:44:26,270 --> 00:44:24,990
common in these areas are now so rare

1091
00:44:27,530 --> 00:44:26,280
because they're just not used to

1092
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:27,540
anything that looks like a frog being

1093
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:29,850
being poisonous look one things I love

1094
00:44:32,810 --> 00:44:31,290
talking to dr. Jody is there's always

1095
00:44:34,850 --> 00:44:32,820
news in the world of frogs that the rest

1096
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:34,860
of us kind of miss out what briefly is

1097
00:44:38,930 --> 00:44:36,240
new in the world of frogs that we should

1098
00:44:41,390 --> 00:44:38,940
know about right now there's only been

1099
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:41,400
discovered recently or something

1100
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:43,410
I've been reading a fair bit lately

1101
00:44:48,170 --> 00:44:45,810
about the chemical compounds that are

1102
00:44:50,270 --> 00:44:48,180
being discovered on frog skin so frogs

1103
00:44:54,050 --> 00:44:50,280
are essentially like a garden tripping

1104
00:44:55,370 --> 00:44:54,060
balls yeah yes lines but frogs have to

1105
00:44:58,760 --> 00:44:55,380
protect themselves from getting infected

1106
00:45:01,790 --> 00:44:58,770
by bacteria fungi viruses and actually

1107
00:45:04,850 --> 00:45:01,800
them the peptides and even the bacteria

1108
00:45:06,140 --> 00:45:04,860
on the frog's skin has evolved to kind

1109
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:06,150
of protect them from that so we're

1110
00:45:09,860 --> 00:45:07,530
looking at things I like

1111
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:09,870
the foam nests of frogs are being used

1112
00:45:14,510 --> 00:45:11,610
as a drug delivery system because they

1113
00:45:16,430 --> 00:45:14,520
the Bob the bubbles in the foam pop at a

1114
00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:16,440
constant rate so if you can make things

1115
00:45:20,180 --> 00:45:17,730
out of it for human medicine you will

1116
00:45:21,770 --> 00:45:20,190
get a constant drug delivery rate we're

1117
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:21,780
using the secretions on frog skin

1118
00:45:26,510 --> 00:45:24,570
investigating their use as anti HIV are

1119
00:45:28,730 --> 00:45:26,520
the antiviral antifungal even

1120
00:45:29,330 --> 00:45:28,740
contraceptives so it's sort of one of

1121
00:45:31,700 --> 00:45:29,340
them all

1122
00:45:32,810 --> 00:45:31,710
I guess practical uses of frogs and one

1123
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:32,820
other reason that we should care about

1124
00:45:35,210 --> 00:45:34,410
their decline there's lots of people

1125
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:35,220
want to speak to here

1126
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:37,650
one last question favorite frog in

1127
00:45:43,660 --> 00:45:38,880
popular culture Fred Oh

1128
00:45:45,830 --> 00:45:43,670
Kermit which one Oh Kermit oh yeah yes I

1129
00:45:47,690 --> 00:45:45,840
only play the banjo wouldn't it be great

1130
00:45:49,460 --> 00:45:47,700
if you were in South America you'd trek

1131
00:45:51,410 --> 00:45:49,470
through this forest you'd all dirty and

1132
00:45:58,220 --> 00:45:51,420
then there's a frog playing a banjo

1133
00:45:59,600 --> 00:45:58,230
singing Rainbow Connection yes we do

1134
00:46:06,860 --> 00:45:59,610
have a frog in Australia called the

1135
00:46:08,750 --> 00:46:06,870
eastern banjo frog and that is people

1136
00:46:11,060 --> 00:46:08,760
think it sounds like a banjo so you may

1137
00:46:12,770 --> 00:46:11,070
have a banjo frog in your garden yet Wow

1138
00:46:14,180 --> 00:46:12,780
I think I know the one you're talking

1139
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:14,190
about that is great is it common in

1140
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:16,890
urban areas yeah this is probably the

1141
00:46:20,570 --> 00:46:18,210
straight Marsh Road you're thinking of

1142
00:46:22,580 --> 00:46:20,580
which is very closely related and it's

1143
00:46:24,830 --> 00:46:22,590
more like pop Bach like a tennis ball

1144
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:24,840
being hit and the funniest story I heard

1145
00:46:27,350 --> 00:46:25,920
was someone saying that they thought

1146
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:27,360
that the tennis court next to their

1147
00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:30,090
house was actually haunted at night as

1148
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:32,310
they heard games of tennis being played

1149
00:46:37,550 --> 00:46:34,170
in fact it was a stripe marsh frog

1150
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:37,560
calling to attract females everyone's

1151
00:46:40,070 --> 00:46:38,640
probably got very interested in frogs

1152
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:40,080
right now so where can we find out more

1153
00:46:43,490 --> 00:46:41,970
at your website where can we go at the

1154
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:43,500
Australian Museum is the best place and

1155
00:46:47,420 --> 00:46:45,570
I'll write blogs regularly there's one

1156
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:47,430
coming up about frog sex as well so you

1157
00:46:51,530 --> 00:46:49,410
should probably sort of get online and

1158
00:46:54,420 --> 00:46:51,540
find that one dr. Jody at the Australian

1159
00:46:56,519 --> 00:46:54,430
Museum website thank you

1160
00:46:58,019 --> 00:46:56,529
it's hard to find a scientist tonight

1161
00:47:00,480 --> 00:46:58,029
because everyone's really busy we've got

1162
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:00,490
a to hear who we got oh my name is Joe

1163
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:02,650
and I cook and you got your doctorate in

1164
00:47:07,019 --> 00:47:04,690
and we're at I got my doctorate in

1165
00:47:10,170 --> 00:47:07,029
amphibian biology at the University of

1166
00:47:12,299 --> 00:47:10,180
New South Wales I'm into frogs I'm into

1167
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:12,309
wetlands let's do something wonderful

1168
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:14,650
and all the people have seen you tonight

1169
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:15,970
what's been the one question they've

1170
00:47:22,319 --> 00:47:20,079
been asking you about amphibians very

1171
00:47:24,750 --> 00:47:22,329
few questions about amphibians tonight

1172
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:24,760
mostly beans because I work broadly in

1173
00:47:29,370 --> 00:47:26,770
Murray Darling Basin wetlands and flood

1174
00:47:30,779 --> 00:47:29,380
plains and environmental water so I've

1175
00:47:32,910 --> 00:47:30,789
also done a bit of work these days with

1176
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:32,920
water birds so had a bit of a few more

1177
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:34,690
questions about the big waterbird

1178
00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:37,450
breeding events and yeah them so the

1179
00:47:41,339 --> 00:47:39,730
fruit the frogs because they eat the

1180
00:47:42,990 --> 00:47:41,349
water birds but the moment is mostly

1181
00:47:44,460 --> 00:47:43,000
being about water birds I got a question

1182
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:44,470
for you should we drink the water in

1183
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:51,250
Adelaide it's kinda it starts up where

1184
00:47:54,420 --> 00:47:52,690
you are and it ends up down there I'm

1185
00:47:56,519 --> 00:47:54,430
just wondering should we be drinking the

1186
00:47:59,970 --> 00:47:56,529
water in Adelaide because it takes funny

1187
00:48:03,210 --> 00:47:59,980
there's no salinated I'm not detailed

1188
00:48:05,460 --> 00:48:03,220
officer rather thing yeah as long as we

1189
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:05,470
keep the basins and the rivers going in

1190
00:48:09,809 --> 00:48:07,599
the water Ned laid I won't have a bad

1191
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:09,819
engine but it's been through a lot it's

1192
00:48:17,609 --> 00:48:12,970
a hit a long journey I'm surprised there

1193
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:17,619
is any water in a delay well have a good

1194
00:48:20,819 --> 00:48:19,359
night here and it you're next to it

1195
00:48:22,170 --> 00:48:20,829
we've got more environmental science

1196
00:48:24,450 --> 00:48:22,180
here who've we got him where'd you get

1197
00:48:27,059 --> 00:48:24,460
your doctorate from I also got my

1198
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:27,069
doctorate from UNSW I'm there yeah

1199
00:48:32,910 --> 00:48:29,680
Rebecca Swanson um I did my doctorate in

1200
00:48:34,170 --> 00:48:32,920
marine chemical ecology okay does that

1201
00:48:35,519 --> 00:48:34,180
mean you have to do diving and

1202
00:48:37,769 --> 00:48:35,529
everything with it or not you have to

1203
00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:37,779
get into the water a fair bit you do yes

1204
00:48:42,690 --> 00:48:40,510
yes but I did probably over 100 dives

1205
00:48:44,609 --> 00:48:42,700
but I only actually dive to about two to

1206
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:44,619
three metres so they're not really the

1207
00:48:48,250 --> 00:48:46,250
most interesting dives

1208
00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:48,260
that's where you find a lot of life I

1209
00:48:51,070 --> 00:48:49,609
mean sure there's stuff further down but

1210
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:51,080
what you're looking at is fairly shallow

1211
00:48:54,250 --> 00:48:51,920
is that correct

1212
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:54,260
so during yeah I was looking at sea

1213
00:48:59,260 --> 00:48:57,440
urchins and they live in their cult that

1214
00:49:02,200 --> 00:48:59,270
lives just in that first few meters of

1215
00:49:03,820 --> 00:49:02,210
the rocky shelves there so they hide in

1216
00:49:05,170 --> 00:49:03,830
the front they're not this funny ones

1217
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:05,180
that you step on when you're walking

1218
00:49:09,099 --> 00:49:06,890
around the rock platform they're much

1219
00:49:10,900 --> 00:49:09,109
pretty out ones with little spines that

1220
00:49:11,950 --> 00:49:10,910
wrap themselves up in the seaweed so

1221
00:49:14,620 --> 00:49:11,960
that's what I was looking for

1222
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:14,630
can we eat seagrass I think we get it

1223
00:49:19,390 --> 00:49:16,970
seaweed can we eat seagrass or as it got

1224
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:19,400
really nah oh yeah everyone's going here

1225
00:49:30,250 --> 00:49:27,880
cooked in the right fashion okay and it

1226
00:49:32,020 --> 00:49:30,260
was in good water yeah yeah I don't

1227
00:49:33,940 --> 00:49:32,030
think traditionally sea grasses are

1228
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:33,950
eaten that much but I'm sure you could

1229
00:49:37,900 --> 00:49:36,290
because it doesn't I mean as far as I

1230
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:37,910
know it doesn't have too many nasty

1231
00:49:42,430 --> 00:49:40,880
chemicals and yeah if it's in healthy

1232
00:49:44,109 --> 00:49:42,440
water then I would just be like some

1233
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:44,119
other any kind of plant I'm sure you

1234
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:45,530
could do something something nice with

1235
00:49:49,390 --> 00:49:47,930
it what do we need to do to encourage

1236
00:49:50,980 --> 00:49:49,400
more women to get into science or what

1237
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:50,990
needs to happen to get more women in

1238
00:49:53,530 --> 00:49:52,400
science I'm looking at two of them here

1239
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:53,540
that got their doctorates fairly

1240
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:55,130
successful and I'm sure you've both got

1241
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:57,410
very high distinction to both of them so

1242
00:50:00,940 --> 00:49:59,599
or do you just just get it you get a

1243
00:50:09,579 --> 00:50:00,950
doctor or you don't it hasn't worked

1244
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:09,589
there zero or one so what it was the

1245
00:50:12,370 --> 00:50:10,970
professor that kind of got you in the

1246
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:12,380
person of his teaching that made you

1247
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:14,810
want to go to that University what did

1248
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:17,690
you in design to be honest I wasn't

1249
00:50:23,470 --> 00:50:19,280
interested in science during high school

1250
00:50:25,570 --> 00:50:23,480
until I had the best amazing biology

1251
00:50:28,359 --> 00:50:25,580
teacher in year 11 and that was it she

1252
00:50:30,310 --> 00:50:28,369
she did it for me that was it I was I

1253
00:50:31,660 --> 00:50:30,320
was never going to be a scientist I had

1254
00:50:34,900 --> 00:50:31,670
no idea what I wanted to be and then she

1255
00:50:38,020 --> 00:50:34,910
came along just such you know straight

1256
00:50:40,990 --> 00:50:38,030
out of uni very inspiring found my love

1257
00:50:42,370 --> 00:50:41,000
of biology and never look back

1258
00:50:46,359 --> 00:50:42,380
and where can we find out more about

1259
00:50:48,130 --> 00:50:46,369
your work or what you do online it's I'm

1260
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:48,140
actually pretty easy to Google my last

1261
00:50:52,839 --> 00:50:50,480
name is pretty obvious there's a few

1262
00:50:54,430 --> 00:50:52,849
things on the work office of environment

1263
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:54,440
and heritage website about the work that

1264
00:50:59,589 --> 00:50:57,650
I do and I've also just post a few like

1265
00:51:01,000 --> 00:50:59,599
articles about like research papers and

1266
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:01,010
different things I've done so yeah

1267
00:51:06,430 --> 00:51:04,490
frogs and water another person down

1268
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:06,440
there Jodi like is it like what's the

1269
00:51:10,690 --> 00:51:08,720
tension within the amphibian world like

1270
00:51:12,010 --> 00:51:10,700
is she really into the vampire frog and

1271
00:51:14,020 --> 00:51:12,020
you like the ones that go up trees how's

1272
00:51:14,650 --> 00:51:14,030
it work oh no we're all just one big

1273
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:14,660
happy family

1274
00:51:19,180 --> 00:51:17,450
oh okay and where can we find all your

1275
00:51:21,010 --> 00:51:19,190
work online and read about what you do

1276
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:21,020
well I also work for the office

1277
00:51:24,190 --> 00:51:22,400
environment Heritage and actually I've

1278
00:51:26,290 --> 00:51:24,200
just had a number of reports published

1279
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:26,300
on the office of Environment website so

1280
00:51:31,870 --> 00:51:28,970
if you just look up hunter River reports

1281
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:31,880
you'll see them all there thank you any

1282
00:51:35,740 --> 00:51:34,010
advice for anybody in school at the

1283
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:35,750
moment thinking gee maybe environmental

1284
00:51:39,700 --> 00:51:37,010
science might be my thing

1285
00:51:41,710 --> 00:51:39,710
what's your advice to them well I think

1286
00:51:43,180 --> 00:51:41,720
if you love nature and you love the

1287
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:43,190
outdoors and you love the environment

1288
00:51:47,079 --> 00:51:45,170
then if you're at all interested in

1289
00:51:49,540 --> 00:51:47,089
science you should keep keep at it

1290
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:49,550
because I'm very happy with their work

1291
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:51,680
choices I've made and I've loved every

1292
00:51:55,210 --> 00:51:53,810
job that I've done so I think I'm very

1293
00:51:57,010 --> 00:51:55,220
lucky you know one of the happiest

1294
00:52:02,020 --> 00:51:57,020
scientists I've seen tonight great thank

1295
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:02,030
you very much hello missed out now what

1296
00:52:04,780 --> 00:52:03,440
have you been looking and doing with the

1297
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:04,790
scientists here this evening at the

1298
00:52:09,010 --> 00:52:06,770
power house we've just met a blue tongue

1299
00:52:10,810 --> 00:52:09,020
lizard and a shingle back lizard well

1300
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:10,820
from Toronto Zoo have you ever had any

1301
00:52:13,530 --> 00:52:12,050
of them in your backyard the Blue Tongue

1302
00:52:17,579 --> 00:52:13,540
lizard occasionally turn up

1303
00:52:19,660 --> 00:52:17,589
unfortunately no I live in an apartment

1304
00:52:22,060 --> 00:52:19,670
in the elevator they've been known to

1305
00:52:23,260 --> 00:52:22,070
turn up so did you learn what you learn

1306
00:52:25,089 --> 00:52:23,270
about them cuz it's always great when

1307
00:52:26,020 --> 00:52:25,099
you meet these things firsthand and the

1308
00:52:28,750 --> 00:52:26,030
people really know what they're talking

1309
00:52:30,990 --> 00:52:28,760
about these two particular lizards were

1310
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:31,000
rescue animals

1311
00:52:34,530 --> 00:52:32,800
so yeah it was great to see that sronger

1312
00:52:37,410 --> 00:52:34,540
tried to release the blue tongue but

1313
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:37,420
unfortunately it came back in a cab it

1314
00:52:41,460 --> 00:52:38,800
came back he didn't come back rather

1315
00:52:44,250 --> 00:52:41,470
fast and are you involved in science at

1316
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:44,260
all no I volunteered for the festival a

1317
00:52:47,309 --> 00:52:46,240
few years ago and so I came along

1318
00:52:49,710 --> 00:52:47,319
tonight and it's been really great

1319
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:49,720
what's been your favorite scientist have

1320
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:51,970
you met someone in an error you like I

1321
00:52:56,190 --> 00:52:54,130
haven't met any scientists tonight but

1322
00:52:58,589 --> 00:52:56,200
we did watch the Sherlock Holmes film

1323
00:53:00,660 --> 00:52:58,599
with comedians during the voice-over and

1324
00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:00,670
that was really good oh well thank you

1325
00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:02,319
very much for your time and keep there

1326
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:03,730
might be a blue tongue in a flat

1327
00:53:09,839 --> 00:53:06,160
wouldn't be a bad thing thank you thank

1328
00:53:11,940 --> 00:53:09,849
you may not hear on the beat and of

1329
00:53:13,410 --> 00:53:11,950
course at any launch you need a DJ in

1330
00:53:14,670 --> 00:53:13,420
the corner playing music but it's not

1331
00:53:16,500 --> 00:53:14,680
really a dance venue it's more like a

1332
00:53:18,690 --> 00:53:16,510
dammit venue who've we got here

1333
00:53:20,940 --> 00:53:18,700
Taylor faints good to speak into your

1334
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:20,950
cert now what's a crowd are they are

1335
00:53:24,780 --> 00:53:22,960
they a tough one just said a bunch of

1336
00:53:26,670 --> 00:53:24,790
nerds bunch of nerds

1337
00:53:27,839 --> 00:53:26,680
so what do you been playing to them

1338
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:27,849
you've been playing some stuff with some

1339
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:29,530
Stephen Hawking samples in there or oh

1340
00:53:34,829 --> 00:53:31,650
yeah just some out-of-this-world music

1341
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:34,839
tell me a corporate events like the it's

1342
00:53:37,589 --> 00:53:36,010
a nasty one because you can have people

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coming up and asking him has anyone

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requested anything tonight

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I know requests a dream gig you turn up

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yeah play the stuff and you go home well

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done so what's been your favorite track

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they've kind of slipped in there some a

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fixed twin maybe no no effects in maybe

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Bowie's Space Oddity they would have

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loved that one look have a good night

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enjoy the eggs I reckon up nerds top

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crowd the work too easy

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well we're heading off never cheating

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has been a good night the winner tonight

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has been science winner tonight has been

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science it's been fabulous it's it's

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late there's still lots of people

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looking at the science here at the

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powerhouse museum a great success I

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[Music]

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on Maynard kaamdar you welcome to bunga

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bunga 39 39 episodes 39 events 39

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cataclysm errs we the show the

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challenges the government the God and

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your very self on today's show you'll

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hear Angela here we all managed to get

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and two more we hear from you well we

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won't be talking about this you're a

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selfish arrogant Paul Maynard calm Donna

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you are you

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone this week and as I mentioned at the

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top of the show I do have an important

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announcement to make

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a bit of a sad one I'm afraid a couple

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of weeks ago I was in San Francisco I

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went to the Exploratorium and you may

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remember I interviewed dr. Paul Doherty

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who wrote the book and then you did a

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scientific exploration of the world's

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most interesting ways to die Paul took

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me on a personal tour of the

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Exploratorium he was just the most

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amazingly interesting man a bundle of

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energy enthusiasm for science and

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science education like I've rarely seen

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and so you can imagine how sad I was to

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hear just a couple of days ago that Paul

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has died and I'm very shocked and

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saddened to hear this I'm grateful for

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Paul for his time and I'm so glad I got

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to meet him and interview him and spend

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time with him in at the Exploratorium as

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he took me around and was so so happy to

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show me all the experiments and the

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tests and and the wonderful things there

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so a great loss to the scientific

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community if you want to relive some of

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the magic and enthusiasm that Paul had

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you can hear that adventure on skeptic

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Zone number 453 from the 25th of June

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2017 sad news indeed but on the the

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positive side he lived a good life and

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he was a champion of science education

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coming up on next week's show

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Maynard and I perform for National

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Science Week at the Australian Museum

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doing the mystery investigators a little

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bit of behind the scenes and a bit of

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the fun of the mystery investigators

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show also Iran sir give with his grain

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of salt segment catches up with Cara

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Santa Maria from the skeptics guide to

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the universe and the lucky dog he's also

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right now I believe right now or in the

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next few hours he will also be in the

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path of totality for the

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the solar eclipse it's fascinating to

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think now that if I walk outside and

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find the moon I'm not sure if I can I

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don't know if at up or down I can

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certainly see the Sun that's shining

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it's fascinating to think that science

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knows that the moon is going to cross

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over the face of the Sun to the

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millisecond and not only now but in in

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years to come as we were mentioning

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earlier with Evan Bernstein there is a

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solar eclipse a total eclipse going to

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go right over Sydney Australia and I

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wonder if I'll still be doing the

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skeptic sown in 2028 July the 22nd a

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total solar eclipse will occur and

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Sydney will be effectively blotted out

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from the Sun around about 4 o'clock in

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the afternoon

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well Sydneysiders that's something to

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look forward to but until then or at

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least next week this is Richard Saunders

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signing off from Sydney Australia you've

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been listening to the skeptic zone

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